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John Corapi: Special Announcement. June 17, 2011 Fr. John Corapi's much anticipated announcement, proclaiming the introduction of "The Black SheepDog."More
John Corapi: Special Announcement. June 17, 2011
Fr. John Corapi's much anticipated announcement, proclaiming the introduction of "The Black SheepDog."
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To The Black Sheep Dog:
I have listened to 2 of your messages dating to 2011 and I just read the report posted about the SOLT position.
There is so much that I would share with you but only you as I too sense that I might a little black puppy as I am an older man. But I have stood with truth as you have so often spoken about. And you have spoken so well that T r us T is one of the essential stances …More
To The Black Sheep Dog:

I have listened to 2 of your messages dating to 2011 and I just read the report posted about the SOLT position.

There is so much that I would share with you but only you as I too sense that I might a little black puppy as I am an older man. But I have stood with truth as you have so often spoken about. And you have spoken so well that T r us T is one of the essential stances to hold with. I spelled trust the way I did as that is how the Lord revealed it to me in this manner. T = Jesus on His Cross | r = His returning | us= us/"all of us" to our t = our own personal cross And then when we accept our cross we can then be enabled to join with Him on His cross and then through that union we consequentially have the strength to Trust. And so John, you are in the fortress of trusting the Lord, who knows exactly what is and has taken place. When you were in Arlington Heights, Illinois for the Knights of Columbus presentation, I attended. Joe Biagbi is a friend of mine and of yours. I saw him with you while signing the books. I did not come up to you as you appeared fatigued and besieged by many folks desiring to be close to a light in the Church. However, I did speak with a woman of slight build who said that she was your right hand and I spoke about my desire to share some faith encounter matters with you and she said that she could arrange that and provided a number. I did call later but she did not reply. However, as I walked away a strange sensation came over me and the thought was: "why is that woman involved in Father's ministry. I sensed an oddness about her". Anyway, I do not know if that woman is/was a complainant but if so that is what my spirit was sensing. Trouble on the horizon. Anyway, your fruits have facilitated the return to a more humble approach to faith on millions of lives. Should those folks remain loyal to the faith and remain humble in the practice of their faith then good has bloomed. Amen Father John. should you wish to make contact you should be able to through this web.
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ACLumsden
Oh dear, so it looks as if Fr Corapi desired a Roman conclusion, but was "head off at the pass" by his immediate superiors. This is indeed unfortunate!
However, as a legitimate priest of the Roman Church, he has recourse to the Holy Father, with or without help or recommendation from his Bishop or religious superiors.
I suppose he just had enough of the whole horrid thing.More
Oh dear, so it looks as if Fr Corapi desired a Roman conclusion, but was "head off at the pass" by his immediate superiors. This is indeed unfortunate!

However, as a legitimate priest of the Roman Church, he has recourse to the Holy Father, with or without help or recommendation from his Bishop or religious superiors.

I suppose he just had enough of the whole horrid thing.
ACLumsden
Hummmm, I see. However, isn't that just on a diocesean level? (The impossible defence.)
I fail to see how this can be true of an appeal to the Magesterium. But, we shall see.More
Hummmm, I see. However, isn't that just on a diocesean level? (The impossible defence.)

I fail to see how this can be true of an appeal to the Magesterium. But, we shall see.
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ACLumsden
SBpfu & Philosopher - Thanks for your responses. I read the material on the link supplied by SBpfu. It says that Fr Corapi's immediate court of appeal would be the Diocesean Bishop (the Bishop having immediate authority over the superior of the community). Herein lies the problem.
However, I remain unconvinced that Fr Corapi has done the just thing in running away. If Rome were approached for final …More
SBpfu & Philosopher - Thanks for your responses. I read the material on the link supplied by SBpfu. It says that Fr Corapi's immediate court of appeal would be the Diocesean Bishop (the Bishop having immediate authority over the superior of the community). Herein lies the problem.

However, I remain unconvinced that Fr Corapi has done the just thing in running away. If Rome were approached for final intervention, it is reckoned that the whole mess would be markely resolved. Therefore, while I see the point that Philosopher made, (by leaving the community and active priesthood (sine facultae), Fr Corapi is free to speak and write), as being rather attractive in continuing a much needed ministry, I think the action logically insufficent in light of a more judiciously profitable appeal unto Rome resulting in a favourable outcome.

This leads me to yet another question (being British myself), is there a 'Tudor-esque' spirit here? i.e. Nationalism before church? Being American takes precedence over being Roman Catholic (like Henry Tudor did - being English took precedence over being Roman Catholic). Rome is simply not an option, it is easier to just 'tuck-tail and run'. Surely the gift of sacramental priesthood is more precious than this? To just throw it away without exploring ALL avenues seems rather odd to me (for such an intelligent man!). There must be more to the whole affair - could Fr Corapi be avoiding the revelation of some truth to the accusation???? THe whole affair just makes little sense to me.
philosopher
ACLumsden, I think its both, the accusation made by a former employee of Fr. Corapi's media company, which is the prima causa, and then during the course of the investigation, he was asked to return to his order in community, under new rules, that were not in effect when he entered and was given permission to live independently. But, he was asked to return to his order, because of the investigation …More
ACLumsden, I think its both, the accusation made by a former employee of Fr. Corapi's media company, which is the prima causa, and then during the course of the investigation, he was asked to return to his order in community, under new rules, that were not in effect when he entered and was given permission to live independently. But, he was asked to return to his order, because of the investigation. I would infer from this, as fr. Corapi intimates this in his blog, that if he is in community, he would be able to be silenced in writing, speaking or lecturing. If he refuses and remains independent of the Church, in a lay state, he will still be a priest- but with no eclessial faculties, and can continue to write and speak. I'm speculating, here, but he may hope that his civil suit will prove, if he wins, that he was innocent, and then he can offically appeal to Rome for Laicization, and remain a priest in good standing albeit no faculties, as long a remains celibate, as was the case for the eminent writer and novelist Malachi Martin- a former Jesuit.
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ACLumsden
Greetings chaps! I am not American and do not know Fr Corapi or his order well at all. Permit me to ask a question if I may - First, I shall preface this with my reasoning, then posit my question.
To begin, having listened to Fr Corapi preach and talk, I get the distinct impression that he is a priest of a Diocese rather than a religious. His independence (both temporally and spiritually) betokens …More
Greetings chaps! I am not American and do not know Fr Corapi or his order well at all. Permit me to ask a question if I may - First, I shall preface this with my reasoning, then posit my question.

To begin, having listened to Fr Corapi preach and talk, I get the distinct impression that he is a priest of a Diocese rather than a religious. His independence (both temporally and spiritually) betokens a priest not in religious and/or evangelical vows. This leads one to think, did Fr Corapi's initial superior bend many rules to keep him? The strict adherence to which, just might have indicated that Fr Corapi might not be called to religious life, and so asked to leave.

If his initial superior did make concessions, and given that Fr Corapi's present superior is NOT the same one who originally gave him all the concessions he had, doesn't this shed new light upon the matter? The epicentre of the problem just might not be located in Fr Corapi's alleged misbehaviour, rather, in the new superior's desire to nullify the original superior's "concessions" to Fr Corapi. In this way bringing Fr Corapi into conformity with the recently approved constitutions of the Order.

Of course, having lived on ones own for most of ones religious life, can one really return to community? I rather think the issues frightfully more intricate than just a matter of Fr Corapi being accused, and he 'tucking tail' and running.

Therefore I must ask: "Might the problem with Fr Corapi be one of a religious disciplinary nature rather than clerical misbehavoiur with a woman?"
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philosopher
Holy Cannoli, that's a good question, all we can do is keep the faith, raise our children well, and maintain tradition. "The gates of hell will not prevail, against her."
I think in my last post, I said, Dante was referring to a Borgia Pope, but it was rather a previous 13th century Pope. The Borgia's were in the 15th century. Mea culpa, I'm not a historian but only a philosopher by trade.
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Holy Cannoli, that's a good question, all we can do is keep the faith, raise our children well, and maintain tradition. "The gates of hell will not prevail, against her."

I think in my last post, I said, Dante was referring to a Borgia Pope, but it was rather a previous 13th century Pope. The Borgia's were in the 15th century. Mea culpa, I'm not a historian but only a philosopher by trade.

Lastly, I'm going to follow your lead, and stop commenting on the topic...since we don't know all the facts with certianty. Your right, the truth will out, and time will tell.

Take care, and God bless.
Holy Cannoli
Fr. Corapi is a victim of the political correct minded, liberal and corrupt Churchmen, presently within the Church.
We all are. The question is how does a layman respond to heterdox and corrupt bishops and, more importantly in this case, how does a cleric respond?
At this point, I've said all I can say. I will reserve final analysis after the facts in this case have played out and I expect that to …More
Fr. Corapi is a victim of the political correct minded, liberal and corrupt Churchmen, presently within the Church.

We all are. The question is how does a layman respond to heterdox and corrupt bishops and, more importantly in this case, how does a cleric respond?

At this point, I've said all I can say. I will reserve final analysis after the facts in this case have played out and I expect that to occur sooner rather than later.

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philosopher
Holy Cannoli, I'd say you have stated the presumed or alleged facts very well albeit we don't have access to primary or direct sources or evidence.
However, on points,
10. Rather than allow the investigation to reach its conclusion, Fr. Corapi decided to abandon the priesthood and religious life, sending a letter to his superiors to this effect.
And,
11. His superiors sought to reintegrate him into …More
Holy Cannoli, I'd say you have stated the presumed or alleged facts very well albeit we don't have access to primary or direct sources or evidence.

However, on points,

10. Rather than allow the investigation to reach its conclusion, Fr. Corapi decided to abandon the priesthood and religious life, sending a letter to his superiors to this effect.

And,

11. His superiors sought to reintegrate him into the life of his religious community, but he has not responded to this request as it “would have meant leaving everything he has. It would have been a drastic change for him,” because “The society is moving to a more organized structural phase of its existence, with all the Church discipline that entails.”

He has only left, "the priestly ministry", not in being a priest. Holy orders cannot be taken away any more than a person’s confirmation or baptism, but permission to function as a priest or administer the sacraments can.

Moreover, authority, is only true authority, when it actualizes its foundational nature and legitimacy, and this includes the Church's Bishops. For example, Dante was aware of this principle, and denotes it in the Divine Comedy, in that he has a chamber of the purgatorio for those who where unjustly excommunicated, as when one of the Renaissance Borgia Pope's threatened to excommunicate one of his mistresses that had a conversion and wanted to enter a convent, if she did not return to his bedroom. Dante, also, knew of individuals excommunicated for political reasons, which was unjust.

Fr. Corapi is a victim of the political correct minded, liberal and corrupt Churchmen, presently within the Church. And, as fr. Corapi has said, "they want me gone, and so, it shall be." These cowardly liberal individuals in no way, invalidate the true and divine nature of the Holy Catholic Church, albeit their actions do shame the name of Christ!

The Church and her Bishops should be standing up for, and supporting courages priests and religious, who are willing to speak the full orthodox truth of Our Lord. If innoncent, they should defend them with all their might, and even sue against the perjuries of dishonest accusers, and not throw them to the wolves.

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Holy Cannoli
The Sequence of Events
1. Based on an agreement with the founder of his order, Fr. Corapi established a Montana-based media business under his financial control.
2. At some point, Fr. Corapi pays several persons who have business dealings with him to sign non-disclosure agreements regarding events during their term of employment.
3. There is a falling-out with one non-disclosure signer, an employee …More
The Sequence of Events

1. Based on an agreement with the founder of his order, Fr. Corapi established a Montana-based media business under his financial control.

2. At some point, Fr. Corapi pays several persons who have business dealings with him to sign non-disclosure agreements regarding events during their term of employment.

3. There is a falling-out with one non-disclosure signer, an employee (presumably 2 occurred before 3, though this is not absolute).

4. The disgruntled signer from 3 complained to religious or ecclesiastical superiors (specifically: the current bishop of Corpus Christi), alleging sexual and drug-related charges against Fr. Corapi.

5. The current bishop of Corpus Christi contacted Fr. Corapi’s religious superiors, requesting an investigation.

6. The investigation was begun.

7. Fr. Corapi filed a civil suit against the complainer from 3, alleging breach of the non-disclosure contract.

8. Other witnesses refused to testify in view of the civil lawsuit against the complainer from 3.

9. Deprived of ready access to these witnesses, Fr. Corapi’s superiors decided to continue the investigation without the key witnesses, using other, less-central witnesses.

10. Rather than allow the investigation to reach its conclusion, Fr. Corapi decided to abandon the priesthood and religious life, sending a letter to his superiors to this effect.

11. His superiors sought to reintegrate him into the life of his religious community, but he has not responded to this request as it “would have meant leaving everything he has. It would have been a drastic change for him,” because “The society is moving to a more organized structural phase of its existence, with all the Church discipline that entails.”
Rather than embrace this new situation, Fr. Corapi announced his abandonment of the priesthood and the adoption of the name “The Black Sheep Dog.
www.ncregister.com/blog/new-information…

Philospher wrote:

Lastly, fr. Corapi (aka: Black Sheep Dog ™ was never a rock star, or sought to be idolized, because he explicated Truth, and pointed to Christ, and not to hmself.

So, abandoning his order and the directives from his superior is “pointing to Christ” in your view? Writing an autobiography in an obvious attempt at self-promotion and $$$ is “pointing to Christ” in your view? A priest who creates an idiotic nickname for himself (the Black Sheep Dog ™) is “pointing to Christ” in your view? St. Pio suffered terribly from the unfair decisions made by his superiors. Yet, St. Pio endured. St. Pio was exonerated. St. Pio is now a saint. Somehow, with his recent insubordination and bizarre comments, I don't see the Black SheepDog ™ in the same light as St. Pio.

From the BSD"s website:
If he (The Black Sheep Dog ™) submitted to the request to return to his community, he would still have his faculties suspended and be silenced.

With this self-serving comment the Black SheepDog ™ is merely attempting to excuse his disobedience to his superiors.

I understand (but do not agree) with the fans of the Black SheepDog ™ and how they would see things differently than I. “Fans” are like that and will 'go to the mat' for their heroes regardless of their actions.

If I may offer this analogy for the defenders of this man. Suppose someone accuses me of cheating on my wife ( A hypothetical analogy). Let's say further that I think my wife will believe this other person and not give me a fair hearing. I know that I didn’t cheat but my wife just will not listen to my side of the story. I believe that she will jump to incorrect conclusions. What can i do in this case? Well, it’s clear, the only option I have is to divorce my wife. Yes, because I can’t get a fair hearing I must divorce her. I also must give myself a goofy nickname, write a book and get a website!

Corapi never should have been ordained a priest, if his background is as depraved as he seems to delight in describing. He was rejected by several orders before this SOLT (not exactly the Dominicans) finally took him in desperation. Certainly, a man can have a past, sins, faults, and then convert. But there is a level of promiscuity and wildness that shows inherent bad judgment and a weak character. Corapi may never have been worthy of the priesthood that he now carelessly abandons.

Further, I believe the Black SheepDog ™ was always in this to make money and I believe the insiders know that! He belongs to a religious order, yet he is not in community with them. How many saints have done this? He lives in his own luxury house while being a priest. How many saints have done this? He is a multimillionaire. How many saints were? His books and tapes and all this is a corporation. How many saints had their own corporation? I see him as not so much a priest as a businessman using the priesthood as his vehicle.

He has a very cleverly cultivated a style like an motivational speaker, which now, no doubt with the help of advertising executives and image consultants, he has transformed into the “Black Sheep Dog.” No man with a calling to the priesthood nor would any saint make this act of defiance. His arrogance is very similar to Fr. Michael Pfleger, another “rock star” and resident psychopath priest with his own unique following among America hating Blacks in the asylum known as St. Sabina's Catholic Church located on the South Side of Chicago.

I give Corapi credit for preaching the truth. And I believe it’s because he knows there’s a “market” for it among ill-educated Catholics starved for good doctrine. I never heard any talk of his above a sixth-grade level, but apparently there are thousands of people who benefit from that.

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philosopher
I just read Fr. Corapi's updated facebook page, and would recommend all here, to read it. There is still a lot of confusion surrounding his case, but he adamantly states that 1. he has not left the Catholic Church or priesthood. 2. He has had his faculties- the priestly privileges of administering the sacraments, suspended. 3. If he submitted to the request to return to his community, he would still …More
I just read Fr. Corapi's updated facebook page, and would recommend all here, to read it. There is still a lot of confusion surrounding his case, but he adamantly states that 1. he has not left the Catholic Church or priesthood. 2. He has had his faculties- the priestly privileges of administering the sacraments, suspended. 3. If he submitted to the request to return to his community, he would still have his faculties suspended and be silenced. 4. His vocation remains, and has always been to be a priest, but his charism was preaching, lecturing and teaching, and never as a pastor or parish priest.

Thus, if he continues to lecture, write books, and teach, even in a laicized state, he will still be a priest. There have been cases like this in the history of the Church, such as Erasmus in the 16th century, and more recently the former Jesuit, Malachi Martin who died in the late 1990's.

Lastly, fr. Corapi, was never a rock star, or sought to be idolized, because he explicated Truth, and pointed to Christ, and not to himself.

May continue to bless him. I think we will see good things from him in the future.
Holy Cannoli
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The Black Sheep Dog is not to be confused with the Black Snoop Dogg.
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The Black Sheep Dog is not to be confused with the Black Snoop Dogg.

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mfm123
Padre Pio bore calumny in complete silence and "Corapi" here does just the opposite. He's passing up a great opportunity for sainthood, if these charges are false!
ACLumsden
@Cannoli - I think therein lies a root of the problem, viz. formation. The Seminary and Noviciate ought to be rigorous testing grounds where the 'wheat' is seaprated from the 'chaff'.
My idea is that Seminarians ought to have enjoined upon them the FULL Divine Office and the night office of the Church. That spirituality and psychoanalysis be de rigeur in the formation process; they are kept in …More
@Cannoli - I think therein lies a root of the problem, viz. formation. The Seminary and Noviciate ought to be rigorous testing grounds where the 'wheat' is seaprated from the 'chaff'.

My idea is that Seminarians ought to have enjoined upon them the FULL Divine Office and the night office of the Church. That spirituality and psychoanalysis be de rigeur in the formation process; they are kept in complete seclusion for the first 5 years of formation in order to purge the World from them. The last 2-3 years should be a slow reintegration into the world, the Parish etc. In this way, not only their minds are saturated with God, but their whole being. Like St Thomas Aquinas said, grace builds upon nature; one canot be what one is not, nor can one GIVE what one does not have.

On the other hand, this rigorous plan just might collapse the psyche of many a genuine vocation. Therefore, I will yield to human frailty somewhat, but must insist that some rigorous form of contemplative formation ought to comprise the first 5years of any kind of clerical formation plan. 😇
Holy Cannoli
Yet another example for us to really pray hard for our presbyters.
Yes, I believe that prayer should be based on the principle that those strong in the faith remain strong, that more strong men are called and respond to the call and that the "weak" are marginalized and removed from active ministry.
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Yet another example for us to really pray hard for our presbyters.

Yes, I believe that prayer should be based on the principle that those strong in the faith remain strong, that more strong men are called and respond to the call and that the "weak" are marginalized and removed from active ministry.

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ACLumsden
@ Cannoli - 👍 This is one of the things that prompted my comment. How quickly the priest forgets that he IS a different man; different from all other men and how easy therefore the Devil can tempt him away from his vocation...... 🤨 Yet another example for us to really pray hard for our presbyters.
Holy Cannoli
From "The Black Sheep Dog's" own parting words and comments:
"I accept moving on, but I am not ready to be altogether extinguished just yet," Corapi added. He said he will continue to write and speak publicly on "broader" topics under the name "The Black Sheep Dog." He (Fr. John Corapi) also announced an autobiography that is "almost ready for publication.
Has he been done an injustice? Quite …More
From "The Black Sheep Dog's" own parting words and comments:

"I accept moving on, but I am not ready to be altogether extinguished just yet," Corapi added. He said he will continue to write and speak publicly on "broader" topics under the name "The Black Sheep Dog." He (Fr. John Corapi) also announced an autobiography that is "almost ready for publication.

Has he been done an injustice? Quite possibly. However, the saints were likewise persecuted and calumniated, often by the church hierarchy itself, yet they bore these trials with patience and humility. I'm thinking of St. Padre Pio's suspension, for instance, for a period of...was it three years, or so? He could have yelled...."I've got the stigmata, you idiots. You can't do this to me!"....but he didn't. He simply prayed and waited. St. Padre Pio, even when suspended, didn't leave the priesthood. He didn't write an autobiography. He didn't create a cheesy nickname for himself (Black Sheep Dog). He suffered. He endured. He was exonerated. He's now a saint.

[17] For he testifieth: Thou art a priest for ever, according to the order of Melchisedech. Hebrews 7.

[26] I therefore so run, not as at an uncertainty: I so fight, not as one beating the air: [27] But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway. 1 Corinthians 9.

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wluckey
Can't one appeal to Rome?
Reesorville
(if anyone would like to say this prayer with me)
Lord, please look after John Corapi and the people involved in this affair. Remove the sins that have created this and make those forgive, who need to forgive, and make those repent, who need to repent. Do not allow this to serve as a means for the enemy to introduce disunity among the church, but heal it of this wound and all such similar wounds.…More
(if anyone would like to say this prayer with me)

Lord, please look after John Corapi and the people involved in this affair. Remove the sins that have created this and make those forgive, who need to forgive, and make those repent, who need to repent. Do not allow this to serve as a means for the enemy to introduce disunity among the church, but heal it of this wound and all such similar wounds. We ask for these things, if it is your will, in Jesus' name, Amen

God bless,